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Re: Re: Re: Re: Howard=13-0

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You do know that your national champion skip is one of hundreds of Curlers who were ambushed along the way as Howard won a record 7 Ontario titles in a row ?

In general, nobody was even close to knocking them off.



I'd never heard of this Howard guy. Is he any good?

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Aileen did win a junior bronze but it was in 2003 or 04. Thanks for the additions.


Sorry Mr. Lucky, but she was 4th that year too. Don't get me wrong! I like Aileen!

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Craig Brown is vicing again in the final game and is at 97% currently. I wonder who is making that call? Stopera has had high percentages at the two spot. who makes the lineup calls?

Looks like we will finish 4-7 in eighth and will have lost to three teams below us in the standings, beat Sweden and played tough against Canada and Scotland (after going down 5-0).

A slow start against Germany and France and the unexpected loss to the Swiss is the difference of going 7-4 for a tiebreaker.

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Interesting...they were 0-5 when starting without the hammer.

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I'm just happy they managed to end up on top of the pile and get 5 points. If you assume that a few countries above them (e.g. at least 3 out of Canada, Sweden, Norway, and Scotland) will have strong finishes next year, then they can probably snag an Oly spot with a 5th or 6th place finish in next year's worlds.

But a loss today would have landed them at 11th with only 2 Oly points and a serious uphill battle for next year's reps.

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Can't wait to hear the post mortem.....

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Sorry Mr. Lucky, but she was 4th that year too. Don't get me wrong! I like Aileen!




Dang... I hate being wrong. Thanks for the correction. In those days they had semis. I must have assumed a bronze because they were in the play-offs

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Overthinking things a bit: it's in the US's interest for New Zealand to not make the gold medal game. In that case, they do no better than 10 Oly points. That means that if either they or China don't make Worlds next year (which is quite possible), then the US has a great chance to overtake either one of them on points, even with a mid-level finish. If NZ gets at least silver, then they would be much harder to overtake.

So I guess that means I'm rooting for Sweden in the tiebreaker. That leaves NZ at 8 points, China at 7, and if either misses Worlds next year, the US would only need 4 points to outcount the missing team. Depending on who finishes int he top 4 next year, that might actually be enough to avoid the remedial round.

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Can't wait to hear the post mortem.....


Here are some statistics to consider:

Hammer efficiency = 23% (2nd lowest)
Force efficiency = 41% (lowest)

A 4-7 finish actually looks pretty good, considering that. I don't know who said it during the Brier (Russ or Cathy) but it was remarked you can't win games by depending on steals. You have to do something with the hammer [and force the opponents frequently.]

Clearly, we missed some shots, but did our strategy contribute?

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.. it was remarked you can't win games by depending on steals. You have to do something with the hammer [and force the opponents frequently.]

I would agree this is true at the men's competitive level. At the club level, or from what I've observed with the Women's game, you absolutely can win games depending on steals. You can totally humiliate and demoralize the opposition with steals. Check the strategy of the older folks at your club, they've long ago figured this out. Just saying....

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I would agree this is true at the men's competitive level. At the club level, or from what I've observed with the Women's game, you absolutely can win games depending on steals. You can totally humiliate and demoralize the opposition with steals. Check the strategy of the older folks at your club, they've long ago figured this out. Just saying....


Club curling is a different animal. Steal percentage at the world level is around 20%. I'm guessing at the club level it's closer to 40%. (Some day I'm going to do a little side project to track simple team stats like hammer efficiency, force efficiency, etc. for one of our men's leagues just for fun.) Thus, at the club level, I would strongly suspect that 1-up-without is the clear winner over 1-down-without coming home. At the world level, it's about a 60%-win proposition to be 1-up-without, but most teams don't like that situation because of the perceived lack of control. But I don't have the data yet for club curling...

Cheers.

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