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SendInTheClowns
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Heather Nedohin's Sour Grapes
"I thought the Koreans came out not to play against us," said Nedohin. "They were extremely defensive right from the get-go. The only entertaining end was the last one. She did make a pistol, it was a great shot to win, absolutely. I just wish the game was more of a game. Maybe it's a good tactic against us, to play extremely boring. Congratulations to them, they got a 'W' out of it. I just don't think it was an entertaining game whatsoever."
Allen Cameron's Story:
http://blogs.calgaryherald.com/2012...ed-enough-said/
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Not sour grapes but great analysis.
Korea did what they had to do to win. They were coached to defeat Canada.
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I put the blame on Heather - it takes two to play such a boring game. Korean's did what they had to do to win.
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BMalc
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So what did Canada do to make it more entertaining? Nedohin went right along with the Koreans, she had chances to be a lot more aggressive, but never pushed the issue. So, the Koreans had a plan, and followed it. TSN said early that Nedohin didn't have a plan for the Koreans - that she would play it shot by shot. Are you kidding me?
BTW, The last shot by Korea was relatively simple, hardly something I would describe as "a pistol".
Both teams have to buy in to make it a "boring" game.
I don't know if it's sour grapes, but it sure sounds like a bad "whine".
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Good article by Al Cameron (see home page of CZ) for link. Bang on! Glad someone is not afraid to put whiny Heather in her place.
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Don't understand why TC did't go for K's rock on 2nd's first shot - they had opportunity there to only give K a shot at one and have last rock in extra.
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Cameron reports that the S. Korean media outlets are going nuts over this win....GOOD!!! 
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CurlingNut1994
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I think Heather's absolutely right, the game was so boring until the final end. Maybe she shouldn't have said that to the media, but I agree with her 100%. She gave the Korean's credit as well, she's just being honest. Really she's only saying what most people are thinking. I don't think it's sour grapes at all.
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Originally posted by CurlingNut1994
I think Heather's absolutely right, the game was so boring until the final end. Maybe she shouldn't have said that to the media, but I agree with her 100%. She gave the Korean's credit as well, she's just being honest. Really she's only saying what most people are thinking. I don't think it's sour grapes at all.
Whether the game was boring or not isn't really the point. That's subjective. I wasn't bored at all.
What I find questionable is why the entertainment value was such a big deal to Nedohin and as it apparently was, why didn't she do something about it?
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CurlingNut1994
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Originally posted by Dackle
Whether the game was boring or not isn't really the point. That's subjective. I wasn't bored at all.
What I find questionable is why the entertainment value was such a big deal to Nedohin and as it apparently was, why didn't she do something about it?
Yeah I see your point. But I don't get how you could find that game entertaining. No great shots were really made except in the final end. Almost half the game were blank ends. Hardly any rocks in play.
But I do agree with you that Heather should have been able to get the Koreans to play with more rocks in play. Team Canada didn't execute play and simple, that's why they lost. Heather was frustrated I'm sure that's why she came out and said the things she said. Plus apparently the Koreans played more aggressively throughout the week including against Canada. I bet that's why Heather wasn't impressed with the way they played today. Just a guess though.
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Those comments are embarrasing. Thank god her fluke run is over...
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Originally posted by CurlingNut1994
I think Heather's absolutely right, the game was so boring until the final end. Maybe she shouldn't have said that to the media, but I agree with her 100%. She gave the Korean's credit as well, she's just being honest. Really she's only saying what most people are thinking. I don't think it's sour grapes at all.
Hether had control after they stole so there was no urgency to get into it. Had control until last rock or in the 10th when they were suddenly in trouble. No sour grapes from her
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Those comments are embarrasing. Thank god her fluke run is over...
AMEN!
Play the game the way you need in order to win. If you lose, suck it up...
After watching her play in the Alberta playdowns I can't believe she won Alberta, let alone Canada. Not Canada's best representative that's for sure! I wouldn't mind them representing Canada the one time if she wasn't such a show-boater. Save your on-screen antics after every shot - we don't need to see them!
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Originally posted by InOffFor4
Those comments are embarrasing. Thank god her fluke run is over...
Tiime to get over the measurement JJ or JJ fanatic!! This is really getting old!
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Originally posted by Tap Back
Hether had control after they stole so there was no urgency to get into it. Had control until last rock or in the 10th when they were suddenly in trouble. No sour grapes from her
Heather had absolutely no control the whole game. She got outskipped by the Korean. If you truly believe you are the better team, you don't set up to be one up without in the 10th. You don't try to make your best offensive effort a steal of one.
10 end game, four rock rule, great ice. You're not playing Kevin Martin. So many options. Double guards, come arounds, freezes, ... .
Hitting an outside rock with running weight is a choice.
No doubt it hurts to have a good shot at a world title and lose the way they did ( blowing a strong RR placement against Italy, letting the Koreans dictate play to them today ). Bitter pill to swallow but they had some great moments and the Canadian title they get to keep.
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Originally posted by Nine Ender
Heather had absolutely no control the whole game. She got totally ouskipped by the Korean. If you truly believe you are the better team, you don't set up to be one up without in the 10th. You don't try to make your best offensive effort a steal of one.
10 end game, four rock rule, great ice. You're not playing Kevin Martin. So many options. Double guards, come arounds, freezes, ... .
Hitting an outside rock with running weight is a choice.
They had cotrol if they make all their shots in 10. It is scary being up without in 10 and everyone who curls knows exactly the feeling. Some time you cannot set up your final end situation and have to play the cards you were dealt. I still think the double was the shot to play as the raise was so very simple for Korea.
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Tiime to get over the measurement JJ or JJ fanatic!! This is really getting old!
You actually think jennifer jones under that user name would write anything ... OMFG!!!
Actually, what gets old are the idoits/trolls on this site that are so jealous of a curler and a woman they dont know, its friggin hillarious!
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You actually think jennifer jones under that user name would write anything ... OMFG!!!
Actually, what gets old are the idoits/trolls on this site that are so jealous of a curler and a woman they dont know, its friggin hillarious!
More likely a fanatic as I do not think JJ would stoop to that for sure. Just getting very tired of noncurlers saying she does not belong there because she earned the right to wear the Maple Leaf and that is the end of that story.
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One up coming home should win but it's tight. In retrospect should have forced the issue earlier. Many ends boring but just as much Canada's fault. I still think Canadians win if they mix it up.
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The truth hurts
Out skipped by a newbie. Plain and simple.
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It is fascinating how people will dog on teams that are not their "favorite" team. Everyone has their favorites which is great but if that favorite doesn't win the Scotties look out, their mission becomes looking for any reason to knock them down. Now she is out and I am seeing comments like she "fluked" the scotties (thanks for the insight Inoff and tookthetrip). You don't win a National Championship on a fluke.
I like Nedohin I think she brings life into a normally listless women's game at times. She is a firecracker and wears her emotions on her sleeve and there is nothing wrong with that. As for what she said in the interview, well intense people say intense things. And like it or not comments in an interview get taken out of context or edited all the time making them sound worse than they are. Maybe that is not what happened here but is what she said sour grapes, no way. I mean does anyone remember Stoughton on Gushue during those infamous trials, I mean come on. What she said is true Korea did play a wide open game and rightfully so, any coach worth their salt would have gone the same direction with an inexperienced team playing against one that on paper is far superior. Heather got sucked into that game no doubt and was playing more to "not lose" than "to win" and the price she paid was a loss.
But lets face it as much as she has been around for a while, quite frankly she came out of nowhere this year pulled off winning the Scotties and was on the world stage for the first time in forever and in her home province, under those circumstances this could happen to the majority of teams in that situation. She will learn from it and move forward. Further to that may have just been a bad weekend and anyone who has played this game at a high level knows that can happen. (One recent example to anyone with short memories is Martin losing 2 times to Brock Virtue, I mean really!) I will get slammed for this post I am sure because a number of people on this site with view it as my saying people can't have an opinion. Not so, have all the opinions you want, questions shot making, strategy etc...I say bring on the debate but personal attacks, lack of any respect is just weak minded and a waste of everyones time but then again as I have learned in following this site many of those trolls seem to have a lot of time on their hands.
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There are some great teams in Alberta and Heather bested all of them at the Alta championships.... so lets put an end to the rumour she wasn't good enough!
She was! And then she bested two great champions at the Scotties - the 1/100th of an inch win vs. JJ; put an exclamation mark on Kelly Scott and stomped the former champ into submission....
However, many reasons we saw Heather emerge from Alberta:
1. The Great Kleibrink is near the end of her rope, had some illness problems and changed part of her team.
2. Bernard had that one great Olympic trials year culminating in her great Olympic silver run. But she's no longer that competitive, either on cash circuits or in Alberta playdowns (with the final 6 to 8 Alberta teams)
3. Crystal Webster still has clouds of doubt about her skipping and clutch shot-making abilities. If they want to win its probably time for Erin Carmody or GL Ramsey to step up and throw final stones.
4. Val Sweeting made it thru a couple years back but she hasn't returned to that glory
5. Other nice teams like Kaufman Sisters, Scheidegger and now the young one who won the canadian juniors. Lots of good young teams.
6. Amy Nixon has broken free of Kleibrink but she's unproven as a skip. But based on experience and noise level you have to put her in the Alberta Top 10, perhaps Top 8
I don't think we've heard the last of Heather Ned - she made huge noise in Alberta and the Scotties, had a good run at the Worlds. Unless Webster can get her stuff together I see Nedohin dominating Alberta for at least one more year, perhaps even two.
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Heather let Korea dictate the style of game. It was clear from the first few ends that Korea wanted to play hits, keep it open, simple and low scoring. And Heather let them do exactly that. She needed to get more rocks in play, complicate the ends and force them into finesse shots. She has only herself to blame.
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There are some great teams in Alberta and Heather bested all of them at the Alta championships.... so lets put an end to the rumour she wasn't good enough!
She was! And then she bested two great champions at the Scotties - the 1/100th of an inch win vs. JJ; put an exclamation mark on Kelly Scott and stomped the former champ into submission....
However, many reasons we saw Heather emerge from Alberta:
1. The Great Kleibrink is near the end of her rope, had some illness problems and changed part of her team.
2. Bernard had that one great Olympic trials year culminating in her great Olympic silver run. But she's no longer that competitive, either on cash circuits or in Alberta playdowns (with the final 6 to 8 Alberta teams)
3. Crystal Webster still has clouds of doubt about her skipping and clutch shot-making abilities. If they want to win its probably time for Erin Carmody or GL Ramsey to step up and throw final stones.
4. Val Sweeting made it thru a couple years back but she hasn't returned to that glory
5. Other nice teams like Kaufman Sisters, Scheidegger and now the young one who won the canadian juniors. Lots of good young teams.
6. Amy Nixon has broken free of Kleibrink but she's unproven as a skip. But based on experience and noise level you have to put her in the Alberta Top 10, perhaps Top 8
I don't think we've heard the last of Heather Ned - she made huge noise in Alberta and the Scotties, had a good run at the Worlds. Unless Webster can get her stuff together I see Nedohin dominating Alberta for at least one more year, perhaps even two.
We know ned will be at the scotties next year as canada so theres no question about next year
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